The action
Michael Moore appeared on Rachel Maddow's show Thursday night to discuss the expansion of the Occupy movements sweeping across the United States.
The filmmaker and activist has traveled across the nation to speak to protesters in various cities including New York, Oakland and Denver. He was speaking to Maddow from Denver, where he addressed demonstrators earlier on Thursday.
Moore told protesters, "if you see someone trying to incite violence, start with the assumption that that person is...undercover homeland security or a cop or whatever, because this is the history of America, where those in charge have tried to ignite people, incite them to commit acts of violence.
The reaction
People are saying:
1) I'm on my way to join my neighborhood OWS.
I'm a middle class middle-aged employed white male.
It's difficult to take part when you work 9 hours a day. That's a dilemma that many of us face, but I feel that it is imperative that people like me participate and are visible. The corporate-sponsored media and politicians naturally want to paint a violent image of OWS.
It is up to boring old working stiffs who love America -- like me, and possibly you -- to show ourselves, to be heard, and stand with OWS.
2) you have to admitt...one must take notice of how FAST this movement spread across the usa. Ten years ago if anyone mentioned such a thing people would have laughed. The leaders of this country might mock them now but if they can become this big this fast this country could see a revolution in the not so distant future. its happening around the world!! As things get worse and credit gets tighter the mood of the people will get angrier!!
3a) I have to absolutely agree with Mr. Moore. The rightists and baggers will do ANYTHING to undermine anything beneficial to the American people. ALL they want is to destroy the AMERICAN voice and this administration. The recent trouble is ALL from the rightists.
3b) Then prove it. It should be fairly simple for someone like Michael Moore. All those arrested have police reports which are public record.
4) That is true that some cops may infiltrate. If you recall there was an anti Iraq war rally organized in Iowa. Twenty demonstrators were arrested. Attorneys from the ACLU were given the names of those arrested.
As they assisted them with bail they found that there were only 19 in jail who needed help.
As the demonstrators were released, they were perplexed as to the whereabouts of the other man.
That was answered when he was seen outside the police station, free and talking among his fellow officers. He had been undercover and the newest member of the group, only coming in a few days before. It was also recalled that he had been the one to say that they needed to do something to get attention-some act of violence-that was quickly put down by the others. He was undercover and also trying to get them to do something that would put them in a bad light. So beware OWS and do not let yourselves be led in the wrong direction.
5) Oh, here we go, assume these anarchists are undercover agents. Give me a break. Assume instead that they are what they seem, anarchists bent on coopting the Occupy movement to their own dismal ends.
6a) Assuming politics is set aside, do we really care about moore's opinion on anything?? He is a marginal film maker with little expertise outside of that area.
6b) "Marginal" meaning, of course, the most sucessful documentary filmmaker in history whose films have been seen by millions. I'd like to be that "marginal."
7) Here is where the great Martin Luther King becomes really relevant. I hope the Occupiers will keep their movement strong by remembering it is Peaceful Protest that makes the magic happen. I would not put it past those who want to see the movement fail, do it by planting rabble rousers in the crowd to make trouble and blame it on the Occupiers. Good Luck to OWS.
Michael Moore appeared on Rachel Maddow's show Thursday night to discuss the expansion of the Occupy movements sweeping across the United States.
The filmmaker and activist has traveled across the nation to speak to protesters in various cities including New York, Oakland and Denver. He was speaking to Maddow from Denver, where he addressed demonstrators earlier on Thursday.
Moore told protesters, "if you see someone trying to incite violence, start with the assumption that that person is...undercover homeland security or a cop or whatever, because this is the history of America, where those in charge have tried to ignite people, incite them to commit acts of violence.
The reaction
People are saying:
1) I'm on my way to join my neighborhood OWS.
I'm a middle class middle-aged employed white male.
It's difficult to take part when you work 9 hours a day. That's a dilemma that many of us face, but I feel that it is imperative that people like me participate and are visible. The corporate-sponsored media and politicians naturally want to paint a violent image of OWS.
It is up to boring old working stiffs who love America -- like me, and possibly you -- to show ourselves, to be heard, and stand with OWS.
2) you have to admitt...one must take notice of how FAST this movement spread across the usa. Ten years ago if anyone mentioned such a thing people would have laughed. The leaders of this country might mock them now but if they can become this big this fast this country could see a revolution in the not so distant future. its happening around the world!! As things get worse and credit gets tighter the mood of the people will get angrier!!
3a) I have to absolutely agree with Mr. Moore. The rightists and baggers will do ANYTHING to undermine anything beneficial to the American people. ALL they want is to destroy the AMERICAN voice and this administration. The recent trouble is ALL from the rightists.
3b) Then prove it. It should be fairly simple for someone like Michael Moore. All those arrested have police reports which are public record.
4) That is true that some cops may infiltrate. If you recall there was an anti Iraq war rally organized in Iowa. Twenty demonstrators were arrested. Attorneys from the ACLU were given the names of those arrested.
As they assisted them with bail they found that there were only 19 in jail who needed help.
As the demonstrators were released, they were perplexed as to the whereabouts of the other man.
That was answered when he was seen outside the police station, free and talking among his fellow officers. He had been undercover and the newest member of the group, only coming in a few days before. It was also recalled that he had been the one to say that they needed to do something to get attention-some act of violence-that was quickly put down by the others. He was undercover and also trying to get them to do something that would put them in a bad light. So beware OWS and do not let yourselves be led in the wrong direction.
5) Oh, here we go, assume these anarchists are undercover agents. Give me a break. Assume instead that they are what they seem, anarchists bent on coopting the Occupy movement to their own dismal ends.
6a) Assuming politics is set aside, do we really care about moore's opinion on anything?? He is a marginal film maker with little expertise outside of that area.
6b) "Marginal" meaning, of course, the most sucessful documentary filmmaker in history whose films have been seen by millions. I'd like to be that "marginal."
7) Here is where the great Martin Luther King becomes really relevant. I hope the Occupiers will keep their movement strong by remembering it is Peaceful Protest that makes the magic happen. I would not put it past those who want to see the movement fail, do it by planting rabble rousers in the crowd to make trouble and blame it on the Occupiers. Good Luck to OWS.
